In a comment on a previous article [The Need for Bigger Government] dmarks sited
from the “Sunshine State New: Nearly one of every
four federal workers makes more than $100,000 annually, a USA Today study shows.
Twenty-two percent of federal employees earned more than $100,000 last year, up from 12 percent in 2006.
The average federal salary in 2011 was $75,296, plus $28,323 in medical, pension and other benefits -- about 60 percent more than the private-sector average.
Twenty-two percent of federal employees earned more than $100,000 last year, up from 12 percent in 2006.
The average federal salary in 2011 was $75,296, plus $28,323 in medical, pension and other benefits -- about 60 percent more than the private-sector average.
I found that
interesting but made me wonder if we are comparing apples to oranges; more
specifically the corresponding jobs in government in comparison to the private
sector, not just averages or even medians.
I checked
out this link from a Google search: http://smallbusiness.chron.com/differences-between-government-employment-private-sectors-10104.html
There I
discovered that government workers indeed get great benefits: health insurance,
dental insurance, vacation, and retirement benefits. They also have a lot of
job security.
Private
sectors employees face a more vulnerable market. They point out that in 2009 government
workers averaged the highest at $67,756, with private-sector averaging $45,155
and local government employees averaged $43,140.
However,
when you compare exact occupations such as doctors, CPA’s, and the like, a
person in the private sector averages more. This is what I expected. But I
think it is still a sticky wicket and hard to make real comparisons. Educations
levels I think play heavily into these comparisons.
CNN points
out that Federal workers with master’s degrees or doctorates do better that
those in the private sector. However, those with professional degrees or
doctorates do less well that those in the private sector.
CNN also
reports that the White House said that the president will propose a 0.5%
increase for federal workers in 2013 which is less that the 2% increase in
privates wages this past year.
Here are the
conclusions from the Reason Foundation http://reason.org/news/show/public-sector-private-sector-salary
Conclusions
While the recent study from
the Center for State & Local Government Excellence and the National
Institute on Retirement Security comparing public sector and private sector
compensation levels correctly notes that aggregate comparisons of average
public and private wages and benefits can be misleading, its conclusion that
state and local government employees are undercompensated, compared to
private-sector employees, is suspect at best. The analysis ignores the value of
virtually ironclad job security and certainty of pension benefits, features
that are notably absent in the private sector. It also overlooks the greater
efficiency and productivity of private sector workers, which is a result of
competitive pressures not experienced in government agencies. The
conclusion that public-sector workers are more highly educated than comparable
private sector workers, upon which higher pay and benefit levels is justified,
is called into question by the fact that not all college degrees are equal (and
may vary between public and
private sector employees) and the possibility that governments are hiring
overqualified workers because they face looser budget constraints than private
companies (i.e., governments are overpaying for their labor).
There are other
considerations outside the scope of the report that affect discussions of the
cost of government services. Since
retiree health care costs are expected to continue to rise rapidly, and public
employees' retiree health care benefits are significantly greater than those of
private sector employees, this will increase government workers' total
compensation relative to comparable private sector employee compensation. Furthermore, even if we assume that
public employees are underpaid, or at least not overpaid, that does not mean
that the number of government workers is necessary or desirable, or that the
cost and scope of government is not excessive.
The fact is that state and
local government labor costs are continuing to escalate drastically. There is a reason why the City of
Vallejo, California, cited skyrocketing pension costs as the chief cause of its
fall into municipal bankruptcy, and why many other local governments in
California and elsewhere are on the brink of bankruptcy. There is a reason why California's
pension costs have been described as unsustainable by everyone from the chief
actuary of the California Public Employees' Retirement System to Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, to Democratic State Treasurer Bill Lockyer. There
is a reason that governments at the federal, state, and local levels achieve
significant cost savings by contracting with private sector businesses to
provide a wide variety of services previously performed by government
workers. State and local
governments in California and across the nation must address public employee
compensation levels if they are to maintain any sense of fiscal responsibility,
particularly in these difficult economic times.
Adam B. Summers is a policy
analyst at Reason Foundation.
As I said, I
think the comparisons are hard to make and you have to dig a little deeper to
get a fuller picture in comparing compensation between the private and public
sector. Even when you dig further folk reach different conclusions depending of the values you emphasize. One thing that came into clearer focus for me in the importance of job security which is stronger in the public versus the private sector. Other countries appear to have met that challenge better, for instance Japan but also the majority of other developed countries. Another good study to make.
Japan is not out of the woods yet. Really, they're still going in - the aging demographic issues facing their nation and economy are in a trend which virtually guarantees declining generational living standards.
ReplyDeletePension costs, etc. are just the outward manifestation of the whole 'graying' issue with regard to population. Public workers or private, the underlying mathematical reality is an increasing ratio of elderly to young - and non-working to working.
Which could ultimately force us as a society to eventually have a serious discussion of what retirement should be, and when it should start. It's hard to see a constant 65 retirement age working in a world where life expectancy constantly grows.
Comparisons of salaries public vs. private cited often omit the critical details such as education requirements, comparing positions with like degrees, etc -- I recall several times in my career looking into public sector jobs in my sector, and realizing that the best ones I qualified for would involve taking a 20-30% pay cut from the private sector equivalent.
ReplyDeleteI just think that if you want to get rich, go into the private sector for your job. I have no problem with handsome compensation in the public sector, but I really think that no precious taxpayer dollars should go in handouts/overpay/etc to the rich.
ReplyDeleteAn income of $100,000 puts you in the top 5% of earners. In the economic elite. Anything more than this is really mad money for millionaires, isn't it? And we are directly footing the bill. How about making the upper limit $100K? It's "our money".
I'd rather see this money, instead of being handed out to rich people for 2nd homes or 3rd motorcycles, to go to vaccinations for needy children, collage scholarships for inner-city kids from Newark NJ, or any other good purpose ... any of which is better than directly padding already fat wallets.
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PK said: "It's hard to see a constant 65 retirement age working in a world where life expectancy constantly grows."
Now this I strongly disagree with, especially if are considering matters such as SS benefits. Threats to move the target like this help undermine faith in the whole system. (see, for example, the huge percent who don't think Social Security will be there when they retire.
Instead of raising the retirement age, why not instead cut off benefits to the well off and wealthy?
How about making the upper limit $100K? It's "our money".
ReplyDeleteBecause some jobs are beyond the $100k line in terms of the skill or education they require. Take mission control engineers at NASA and such for example. You need experienced physics gurus and hyperbolic calculus ninjas.
The government is already the low bidder on most jobs. To force the bid lower would just create a smaller applicant pool and guarantee that whatever is getting done, gets done worse.
"Instead of raising the retirement age, why not instead cut off benefits to the well off and wealthy?"
Sounds nice at the outset, but means-testing SS is probably just a Trojan horse for abolishing it. Take someone off the recipient list, and you can turn them against the program because they're no longer invested. If you choose the rich for this elimination, then you have a lot of new political ad dollars becoming available to lobby for abolishing Social Security because they just start seeing it as a super-sized welfare program instead of the social insurance/old-age fund it was designed to be.
But like any exercise in actuarials and retirement, it's simply a math problem relating retirement age against life expectancy. That's just the mathematical reality, the framework one must operate within.
"Because some jobs are beyond the $100k line in terms of the skill or education they require."
DeleteHow so? The fact of so many making well above this in government pay (taxpayer largesse) who do such a terrible job shoots hole in this idea.
"Sounds nice at the outset, but means-testing SS is probably just a Trojan horse for abolishing it."
Right now a huge amount is wasted on this as welfare for the well off and rich. I'd think a liberal would oppose handouts to these people. I guess not.